The must-listen podcast for professional services marketers, featuring conversations with leading voices in business development and marketing across the sector.
Each episode explores practical strategies for building authentic visibility, improving effectiveness, and unlocking new growth opportunities in a changing market.
Produced by Passle, the platform behind the Thought Leadership Suite and CrossPitch AI, built to power thought leadership and cross-selling for the world’s leading professional services firms, including Ropes & Gray, Linklaters, Quinn Emanuel and many more.
Find out more at passle.ai.
The must-listen podcast for professional services marketers, featuring conversations with leading voices in business development and marketing across the sector.
Each episode explores practical strategies for building authentic visibility, improving effectiveness, and unlocking new growth opportunities in a changing market.
Produced by Passle, the platform behind the Thought Leadership Suite and CrossPitch AI, built to power thought leadership and cross-selling for the world’s leading professional services firms, including Ropes & Gray, Linklaters, Quinn Emanuel and many more.
Find out more at passle.ai.
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Wednesday Dec 17, 2025
Wednesday Dec 17, 2025
Law firms are no longer operating in a period of stability; they require momentum. Marketing leaders are expected to evolve alongside the business, retrofitting strategy around lateral growth, proving value through data, and guiding attorneys who are neither new nor at the top.
In this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, we’re joined by Kathryn Whitaker, Chief Marketing Officer at Burr & Forman, to explore how her leadership and strategic approach have adapted since her first appearance on the podcast back in 2022.
Kathryn shares insights into how marketing supports opportunistic expansion, the shift toward outcome-driven metrics, and why mid-career attorneys might be the biggest missed opportunity in law firm growth strategy today.
Kathryn and Eugene discuss:
- Law firm growth through strategic scaling
- Lateral integration to build long-term success
- The importance of data-driven storytelling to inform decisions
- AI’s practical impact on efficiency and visibility
- The underleveraged investment in mid-career attorneys

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